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NOTE: To get off this list, send email to majordomo@aqua.ccwr.ac.za with the body of the message containing the line: unsubscribe sowacs Richard G. Allen writes: ===8<============== Dear Bob (Sojka), Thanks for your following message in response to Leonard Ornstein's comments to your earlier message on PAM's. I'm sure that many readers of SOWACS will benefit. I will copy your response to the SOWACS discussion group. Rick Allen ---------------- From Dr. Bob Sojka of the USDA-ARS lab at Kimberly, Idaho: ---------------- Some PAM compounds do contain cation impurities. However, not all these effects are due to "impurities". Many PAM molecules are engineered to have various functional groups substitued more or less isomorphically for the amide groups. These can be acrylic acid, or others, depending on the applications and the use of the vast array of PAM compounds available. The sodium and potassium added (and hence released) in many PAM formulations are the result of grafted functional groups that provide dissociation and allow for negative charge sites upon dissociation of the cations. They are an intentional structural feature and not impurities. The acrylic acid and sodium formate groups commonly substitute for up 20 to 50 percent of the amide groups in the linear (water soluble) PAMs used for floculation processes and erosion control. Depending on the particular industrial process used to synthesize a given specific PAM compound, some can be nearly free of residual cations. In a recent visit to a SNF Floerger subsidiary I was encouraged that new processes are coming on line that will greatly enhance all aspects of purity, including residual cation, heavy metal, and AMD contents. Of course, the purity will likely affect costs, and affordability will depend on the applications and the criticality of purity for the application. There are hundreds of individual PAM compounds, and it is hard to make sweeping statements about all of them, and this is really the message that the newcomer needs to internalize. You need to do your homework and learn about the class(es) of compounds and the individual compound you have an interest in. ===8<===========