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Steve my paper for the report is available as a draft >Adobe PDF file at http://www.cprl.ars.usda.gov/programs/ Many thanks for making your notes available. Your previous paper in Journal Soil Sci Soc of America, on comparison of capacitance and neutron meter measurements, was helpful in bringing our attention to the importance of the "representive elementary volume" concept. best regards Martin Parkes WasteTrim at Technology Transfer Centre, Alrick Building, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh EH9 3JL, SCOTLAND tel (44) 131 472 4708 fax (44) 131 662 4678